ok. my dear friend, vivek would like to have his say regarding certain things. His following article is a comment on my article, "America has hanged its destiny". I dont COMPLETELY agree with his views and will put up my views on the same later on this very blog. But since I believe counter arguments must also receive equal attention, here's Vivek's take on the matter...
Vivek says...
Dude, i did go through your comments and agree to some extent, but i will like to disagree with you when you say that india will become a superpower and not be dominated by others.....
dude believe me i want this day to come and come soon. but what i would like to point out is that India is a soft nation. it doesnt have the guts to face global challenges, leave alone superpowers like US of A. if it had any determination or even self esteem, it would have taken charge when it had got pakistan to its knees in 1971. WE FINISHED THEIR GREAT ISLAMIC ARMY IN JUST 15 DAYS. we had 95000 paki soldiers as prisoners. (its truly 95K). we could have negotiated kashmir in return for these soldiers. but guess what, we just let them free, just like that, end of the story. what do you think a country like china for that matter have done had it been in the same position. its not a soft nation. you know what, to top things off, we signed the shimla treaty, you know what, the treaty says that pakistan can keen its part of kashmir, in return allow india to keep its territory. Basically recognizing the part of Kashmir that was forcefully taken by pak as legal paki territory.
now what do you call that but bullshit...... MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THIS IS NOT ONLY THE HEIGHT OF TIMIDITY, BUT ALSO THE HEIGHT OF STUPIDITY. we win the war emphatically, we have 95k of their soldiers captive, their govt has been humiliated, they are on their keens begging for mercy and we say.... simla agreement........ tell me what am i missing here, because i sure cant figure out what in the bloody hell is happening..... am i missing somethin or what....
whats more, the treaty was signed by india's most powerful prime minister Mrs Indira Gandhi (Make no mistake about it, I have immense respect for her).
Dude a poverty ridden and weak country, whom we had got independence is humiliating us at the world stage (bangladesh)....... dont forget what they did to indian soldiers in tripura a few years back.
India having the balls to stand on its feet, now thats an impossible dream isnt it........
sua mein se nabbey beimaan, but whatever the hell happens MERA BHART MAHAN THA, MAHAN HAI, AUR MAHAN RAHEGA. You know why, because its mine……..
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I'll put up my views in detail later but lemme say this one thing dude. WHY the hell do u harp on the past yaar?! i like history too! but then can't u be practical?! do u think war/military aggression is still a viable alternative? do u think we shud/can annihilate pakistan? c'mon yaar! be realistic! And as 4 being a super power, i definitely think that over a horizon of 25-30 years, this is possible! And as for timidity & stupidity; show me one timid who's won a war and then forgone the territory won! as for stupidity; the objective then was not imperialism. we were/are not in d business of expanding territory. A person who considers this stupid rather take up American citizenship.
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Dude, what do you mean by “imperialism was not the objective then”. Who says imperialism was ever the objective. Do you know what imperialism is? Imperialism is the forceful occupation of a foreign territory. How can you compare the events of 71 with imperialism? Where is the foreign land? My question to you is, have you seen the map of India? Well if you see it, you will find that, Kashmir (including POK) is shown as a part of India. This is the official stand of India. Though some areas are still under the occupation of Pakistan, they are integral part of India. When the king of Kashmir ceded Kashmir to India, he ceded the entire region, including POK. Hence, they are a part of India. How can re-possession of your own territory amount to imperialism? How can you be accused of occupying some land that was always yours? India has legal documents to support this, by the way.
India has never occupied any foreign territory, and it never will. I am proud of that fact. Bargaining for POK in return of the 95000 captured soldiers would have been diplomacy, not imperialism, by the way, why should we just let the enemy soldiers walk free, they are, afterall the enemies.
Dude, ’71 war was just 30 odd years ago. Its not like it was fought 300 years ago. Indian history books record history from 3200BC to 1950. The rest are not included in the history books, so its not history. 30 years is definitely not history. Your father must have passed college or something that time, just to give you an idea. By the way, you think you can talk freely about 35 years in the future, but it upsets you if somebody talks about events that happened 35 years ago. That’s not being consistent. I am not talking about what Aurangzebs forces did to kashmiri people, that would have been history. I have told this to you a 100 times before, I will say it again, “Those who do not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it”. When I say this, I am not harping on the past, mind you.
Dude, I don’t think war is still an alternative. But unfortunately your “friendly” “neighbourhood” country thinks that it still is. I am sure you have heard of Kargil war, and why it happened. That happened in 1999. Hope you dont think THAT is history. We were in college then yaar, don’t think it was that far back.
And I never said I want to annihilate Pakistan, now you are just putting words into my mouth. It would have been possible a few decades back, but certainly not now.
My take is, People who love neighboring muslim country should rather take up Pakistani citizenship.
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